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Thomas More College Choir: Thou Whose Almighty Word - Crown Him with many Crowns
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The Thomas More College Choir performs "Thou Whose Almighty Word - Crown Him with Many Crowns" for its 2023 Easter Concert. Listen to the full concert here: ua-cam.com/video/5d3YGaGVo_E/v-deo.html Subscribe to the Thomas More College Choir's UA-cam Channel: www.youtube.com/@ThomasMoreCollegeChoir?sub_confirmation=1
Thomas More College Choir: Vexilla Regis - Easter Concert 2023
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The Thomas More College Choir performs "Vexilla Regis" for its 2023 Advent Concert. Listen to the full concert here: ua-cam.com/video/5d3YGaGVo_E/v-deo.html Subscribe to the Thomas More College Choir's UA-cam Channel: www.youtube.com/@ThomasMoreCollegeChoir?sub_confirmation=1
Thomas More College Choir: Vesper Responsories - Advent Concert 2023
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The Thomas More College Choir performs "Vesper Responsories" for its 2022 Advent Concert. Listen to the full concert here: ua-cam.com/video/Jk75pIyQxmc/v-deo.html Subscribe to the Thomas More College Choir's UA-cam Channel: www.youtube.com/@ThomasMoreCollegeChoir?sub_confirmation=1
Newman on True Development of Doctrine-and Its Corruptions
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Robert Royal is a Visiting Fellow and Emeritus St. John Henry Newman Visiting Chair in Catholic Studies at Thomas More College. He is founder and president of the Faith & Reason Institute in Washington, D.C. and Editor-in-Chief of The Catholic Thing. His most recent books are The God That Did Not Fail: How Religion Built and Sustains the West, A Deeper Vision: The Catholic Intellectual Traditio...
Do We Still Hold These Truths? A Presidents’ Day Roundtable Discussion on Faith and Politics
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Join Thomas More College for an evening panel discussion featuring prominent Catholic writers and public figures Robert Royal, Joseph Pearce, and William Fahey, moderated by veteran journalist and writer Phil Lawler. 0:00 Individual speakers 1:02:18 Panel Q&A
Thomas More College Choir: The Royal Banners - Easter Concert 2023
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The Thomas More College Choir performs "The Royal Banners" for its 2023 Easter Concert. Listen to the full concert here: ua-cam.com/video/5d3YGaGVo_E/v-deo.html Subscribe to the Thomas More College Choir's UA-cam Channel: www.youtube.com/@ThomasMoreCollegeChoir?sub_confirmation=1
Thomas More College Choir: Sitivit Anima - Easter Concert 2023
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The Thomas More College Choir performs "Sitivit Anima" for its 2023 Advent Concert. Listen to the full concert here: ua-cam.com/video/5d3YGaGVo_E/v-deo.html Subscribe to the Thomas More College Choir's UA-cam Channel: www.youtube.com/@ThomasMoreCollegeChoir?sub_confirmation=1
Thomas More College Choir: Matins Responsory - Advent Concert 2022
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The Thomas More College Choir performs "Matins Responsories" for its 2022 Advent Concert. Listen to the full concert here: ua-cam.com/video/Jk75pIyQxmc/v-deo.html Subscribe to the Thomas More College Choir's UA-cam Channel: www.youtube.com/@ThomasMoreCollegeChoir?sub_confirmation=1
Thomas More College Choir: Magnum Mysterium - Advent Concert 2022
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The Thomas More College Choir performs "Magnum Mysterium" for its 2022 Advent Concert. Listen to the full concert here: ua-cam.com/video/Jk75pIyQxmc/v-deo.html Subscribe to the Thomas More College Choir's UA-cam Channel: www.youtube.com/@ThomasMoreCollegeChoir?sub_confirmation=1
Thomas More College Choir: If Ye Love Me - Easter Concert 2023
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The Thomas More College Choir performs "If Ye Love Me" for its 2023 Easter Concert. Listen to the full concert here: ua-cam.com/video/5d3YGaGVo_E/v-deo.html Subscribe to the Thomas More College Choir's UA-cam Channel: www.youtube.com/@ThomasMoreCollegeChoir?sub_confirmation=1
Thomas More College Choir: Ave Verum Corpus - Easter Concert 2023
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The Thomas More College Choir performs "Ave Verum Corpus" for its 2023 Easter Concert Listen to the full concert here: ua-cam.com/video/5d3YGaGVo_E/v-deo.html Subscribe to the Thomas More College Choir's UA-cam Channel: www.youtube.com/@ThomasMoreCollegeChoir?sub_confirmation=1
Thomas More College Choir: Alma Redemptoris Mater - Advent Concert 2022
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The Thomas More College Choir performs "Alma Redemptoris Mater" for its 2022 Advent Concert. Listen to the full concert here: ua-cam.com/video/Jk75pIyQxmc/v-deo.html Subscribe to the Thomas More College Choir's UA-cam Channel: www.youtube.com/@ThomasMoreCollegeChoir?sub_confirmation=1
Thomas More College Choir: Es is Ein Ros Entsprugen - Advent 2023
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The Thomas More College Choir performs "Es is Ein Ros Entsprugen" for its 2023 Advent Concert. Listen to the full concert here: ua-cam.com/video/bA-u5o-FG3s/v-deo.htmlsi=HcoaZpjcMECoiAvT Subscribe to the Thomas More College Choir's UA-cam Channel: youtube.com/@ThomasMoreCollegeChoir?si=6N4U2H2Okt2FvGoL
Thomas More College Choir: Behold the Bridegroom - Easter Concert 2023
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The Thomas More College Choir's performance of "Behold the Bridegroom" Check out the Thomas More College Choir UA-cam Channel here: youtube.com/@ThomasMoreCollegeChoir?feature=shared
Thomas More College Choir: Rorate Coeli - Advent Concert 2022
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Thomas More College Choir: Rorate Coeli - Advent Concert 2022
The Thomas More College Choir: Ave Maria - Franz Biebl
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The Thomas More College Choir: Ave Maria - Franz Biebl
Great Books Summer Program Student Testimonials
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Great Books Summer Program Student Testimonials
Religion and Superstition: 17th-18th Century with Joseph Pearce
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Religion and Superstition: 17th-18th Century with Joseph Pearce
The Primacy of the Common Good: Pater Edmund Waldstein
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The Primacy of the Common Good: Pater Edmund Waldstein
The Best and Worst of Times: 11th-13th Century with Joseph Pearce
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The Best and Worst of Times: 11th-13th Century with Joseph Pearce
Rupture and Reformation: 14th-16th Century with Joseph Pearce
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Rupture and Reformation: 14th-16th Century with Joseph Pearce
The Death and Resurrection of Rome: 5th-10th Century with Joseph Pearce
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The Death and Resurrection of Rome: 5th-10th Century with Joseph Pearce
Immaculate Conception Banquet
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Immaculate Conception Banquet
Was America’s Founding Fatally Flawed by the Provenance of Its Ideas? | Robert Reilly
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Was America’s Founding Fatally Flawed by the Provenance of Its Ideas? | Robert Reilly
From Christ to Constantine: The Early Church | Joseph Pearce
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From Christ to Constantine: The Early Church | Joseph Pearce
The Good, the Bad and the Beautiful: History in Three Dimensions | Joseph Pearce
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The Good, the Bad and the Beautiful: History in Three Dimensions | Joseph Pearce
Revisiting Lepanto! | Phil Lawler
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Revisiting Lepanto! | Phil Lawler
Why the World Needs More Ghost Stories: The Dialogues of Gregory the Great | Christopher Check
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Why the World Needs More Ghost Stories: The Dialogues of Gregory the Great | Christopher Check

КОМЕНТАРІ

  • @Min.YoungKenny
    @Min.YoungKenny Місяць тому

    🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @KL0098
    @KL0098 Місяць тому

    I have lots of respect for anyone who can recite Hopkins from memory, but it's kind of cringey to see this continuous appeal to solve problems with things from the past that were just as problematic back then. The speaker who's reciting poetry as a cultural salve is also endorsing Plato, the autocrat who idealized a city without artists, especially poets, including I presume Hopkins. Somehow the deplorables indulge in tacky modern culture because it's easier than reading Shakespeare; would that be the same Shakespeare who, along with his fellow Elizabethan playwrights, was always on the verge of being forbidden to stage plays because not a few Christians argued that moral decadence (yes, people, there were cultural wars in the 1600s; yes, there were conservative curmudgeons who saw cultural decadence everywhere then) and the theater went in hand?

  • @katherinenielsen5946
    @katherinenielsen5946 2 місяці тому

    1 Behold the Bridegroom cometh in the middle of the night, And blest is he whose loins are girt, whose lamp is burning bright; But woe to that dull servant, whom the Master shall surprise With lamp untrimmed, unburning and with slumber in his eyes. 2 Do thou, my soul, beware, beware lest thou in sleep sink down, Lest thou be given o’er to death, and lose the golden crown; But see that thou be sober, with a watchful eye, and thus Cry, "Holy, holy, holy God, have mercy upon us!" 3 That day, the day of fear, shall come; my soul, slack not thy toil, But light thy lamp, and feed it well, and make it bright with oil; Who knowest not how soon may sound the cry at eventide, "Behold the Bridegroom comes! Arise! He come to meet the Bride!" 4 Beware, my soul! take thou good heed lest thou in slumber lie, And, like the five, remain without, and knock, and vainly cry; But watch, and bear thy lamp undimmed, and Christ shall gird thee on His own bright wedding robe of light,--the glory of the Son.

  • @s.lajoie9961
    @s.lajoie9961 3 місяці тому

    This was excellent! Thank you so much for sharing it. I only wish I could have been there in person!

  • @user-eu8ub9cm5t
    @user-eu8ub9cm5t 3 місяці тому

    Happy Feast Day Father /Papa Gregory and Bless you for sending Saint Augustine here to Anglo Saxon England Wish I had been taught Dialogues at school 50 years ago at Bromley in Latin instead of Caesar Gallic Wars As well as Pastoral Care since only today I discovered Bishop of Worcester Werferth who made translations into Old English Now kept in British Museum Archives at King Alfred Royal Command

  • @donalfoley2412
    @donalfoley2412 3 місяці тому

    Going to watch that one again. Started on Newman’s ‘Development’ and couldn’t follow without a great effort. This was a great help. Thank you. I vaguely remember Chesterton saying something about Newman countering some of the uses made of the theory of evolution years before it was formulated by Darwin.

  • @s.lajoie9961
    @s.lajoie9961 4 місяці тому

    Thank you for posting this. I found it most enjoyable and insightful!

  • @devin2767
    @devin2767 4 місяці тому

    Promo>SM

  • @adamswift3197
    @adamswift3197 5 місяців тому

    Whose arrangement is this?

  • @somexp12
    @somexp12 5 місяців тому

    16:15 "false distinction between religious and civil marriage" If these really are one in the same, then marriage has no place as a civil institution *at all.* Society should not be enlisted into validating your cultic practices. It's totally contrary to the establishment clause. Now, you *could* have avoided gay marriage by eliminating marriage as a government institution. It was a proposal. John Kerry had that position, for example. You could've protected the "purity" of "your" institution by keeping it internal to your churches. You can't ask the government to implement your practices and then demand they implement them exactly how your cult prescribes. If your religion actually owned this, then your religion should've been taking full responsibility for it *from the beginning.* Either have your cake or eat it.

  • @somexp12
    @somexp12 5 місяців тому

    Nobody *owns* children. When you talk about governmental authorities claiming the state "owns" children, you are almost always misrepresenting their views and projecting your own sick attitudes. Outside the religious right, this idea of "owning" children is considered gross. Almost no one else talks this way. If you run a search of "who owns children" in UA-cam, just about all of what comes up are religious people asserting parents "own" children. Few or none claim the government does, because the only people who talk about this stuff in terms of ownership are creepy religious people. Just about everyone else understands that (a) nobody owns anyone (child or otherwise) and (b) that parents have *obligations* not "rights" (certainly not rights of ownership). They have a duty towards their kids and their right to be involved extends only insofar as they faithfully perform that duty.

    • @somexp12
      @somexp12 5 місяців тому

      "we were being deliberately provocative. We weren't suggesting that parents were the owners of children." Ahhh. Did someone call you out on that in the chat? If you don't think parents own children, then just don't use that language. Period. No one other than you guys suggests that *anyone* owns children, so you have no excuse to be talking like that. Stop trying to offload responsibility by insinuating that anyone but you thinks or acts in these terms.

  • @user-fd7hd2iq5j
    @user-fd7hd2iq5j 5 місяців тому

    We read the Booke of Margery Kempe in my English Lit class Freshman year in University

  • @user-uf3rh8kf9s
    @user-uf3rh8kf9s 6 місяців тому

    The old bastard probably shit himself and isn't Paul "Jack off" Jackson,the pussy-whipped Canadian Cupcake there?😂

  • @shamrockdragon7634
    @shamrockdragon7634 6 місяців тому

    Beautiful

  • @clarencelafuentes4801
    @clarencelafuentes4801 6 місяців тому

    Relaxing. Outstanding.

  • @johnxland9373
    @johnxland9373 6 місяців тому

    Holy Christmas!

  • @stinkystu1
    @stinkystu1 6 місяців тому

    Do they teach you to hate Jews at this school?

  • @johnperts7963
    @johnperts7963 9 місяців тому

  • @jasonh.8754
    @jasonh.8754 10 місяців тому

    Read: need to find a new set of lies/delusions.

  • @kazzaville
    @kazzaville 10 місяців тому

    Thank you for this thoughtful talk! I appreciate you speaking to some of the more common stereotypes and focusing on educational freedom and positive reasons to home school (I home schooled my children for 23 years, great decision for our family).

  • @Laocoon283
    @Laocoon283 11 місяців тому

    12:50 This was my favorite thing about Dostoevsky's The Idiot. That Mishkin was such an aberration to their perception of the world that they instinctively mocked him but without even being conscious of it they were also drawn to him. They didn't even know how desperately they wanted that earnest goodness in their lives until it was presented to them. You don't know what you don't know.

  • @garyjaensch7143
    @garyjaensch7143 11 місяців тому

    Jesus is the only rock, Cephas ( Peter ) was a stone, Wonder deeply about the water that came out of the rock at HOREB ( the mountain of God) when it was smited. 1 Corinthians 10:4 “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.” Exodus 17:6 “Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.” Deuteronomy 32:4 “He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.” Deuteronomy 32:18 “Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.” Deuteronomy 32:15 “But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.” Deuteronomy 32:30 “How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?” Deuteronomy 32:31 “For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.” Galatians 2:7 “But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;” Galatians 2:8 “(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)” Galatians 2:9 “And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.”

  • @garyjaensch7143
    @garyjaensch7143 11 місяців тому

    God has no beginning , there is no mother of God, only a mother of Jesus , who saves us all by Grace alone, nothing we do,you cannot give Gods Grace to yourself, it is the faith of Ephesians 2:8 that is not of yourself, Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” Seek him with all your heart mind and soul, reading Gods word continually, asking Jesus for understanding not trusting man, 2 John 1:10 “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:” Matthew 15:9 “But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.” Colossians 2:22 “Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?”

  • @donaldpeterson590
    @donaldpeterson590 11 місяців тому

    Do you see the irony in the title? "Catholics, intolerance...""? Really? The catholics' platform of non-involvement during the holocaust, the Spanish Inquisition of the 1400's effectively labeling the century: "The Dark Ages", the catholics' treatment of women, their LONG-STANDING HISTORY OF RAPING CHILDREN, hiding the offenders by giving them new jobs, murdering orphans in Scotland, slave labor of unwed child mothers, the list is ENDLESS! The word, "INTOLERANCE" is practically written in Latin above every crucifix in every cathedral and church around the WORLD! And you have the AUDACITY to claim the gay community is FORCING THEIR VIEWS on YOU?! Dude. Look up the word, HYPOCRISY! You might learn something. After that, GO SEE A FREAKING DENTIST! For the love of PETE! That mouth looks like 2 picket fences in a hurricane when you talk too fast! No wonder you hate gays. There isn't a gay that would hit on you unless they had beer goggle laser surgery and you were covered in money and good shoes! Just because you aren't pretty, doesn't mean you can poo poo those that are when they won't give you the time of day. Try hooking up with Sean Vaughn! He has a church! And he's a closet case, too! He was arrested for fraud when he was an insurance agent, but at least he's not a priest that diddles cub scouts! You two would be the cutest ugly couple since Sharon and Ozzy! Tell him I said you should chat!

  • @M.AlexanderZagorski-vg2ml

    Patrick JC Powers (April 22,1943-December 17,2022) was ONE GREAT MAN.🇺🇸

  • @erickelleher3911
    @erickelleher3911 Рік тому

    Here's my attempt, a Catholic Epic: ua-cam.com/play/PLiCoO2FHdEP5KH-BbbChTiGFOaY_bVNmh.html

  • @kamilziemian995
    @kamilziemian995 Рік тому

    This talk rise many good points, but at the same time many "clarifications" lead to no answer and only more confusion. At least in my opinion.

  • @Clinias
    @Clinias Рік тому

    I noticed that any thing to do with a racial category like 'nation' has not even been used. He also does not mention the phrase "the moral order". For the moral order does not include 'mankind'. De Koninck seems to have made up his own definitions of what virtue is. In Latin, originally, 'virtus' had NO moral meaning whatsoever. In II Peter 1:5 the author says, "Supplement The Faith with Arete". Now arete does have moral meaning and its definitions were solidified before it was said there. Why are Roman Catholics so determined to rewrite history and definitions of words? For the Arete of righteousness uses the Greek term 'patrida' translated as 'fatherland', blood and soil. Yet, we skip and dance around this part! The Common Good is the Common Good of one's kin society, one's nation. That is the moral order. Another thing missing is the word "duty". There is just a lot of weasel words, redefinitions, and the heresy of globalization in this talk. I call it no good.

  • @s.lajoie9961
    @s.lajoie9961 Рік тому

    This was tremendous, thank you so much for posting it! I'm just sorry I couldn't see it in person.

  • @SammyJ..
    @SammyJ.. Рік тому

    Can’t wait for the book!

  • @johnnotrealname8168
    @johnnotrealname8168 Рік тому

    First and only 37 minutes late, nice guest and fascinating topic. Edit: Maria Theresia was not instantly Empress and there never was a Kingdom of Austria. The Bavarians got elected Holy Roman Emperor and the Hungarian Crown was also not hereditary and she had to beg for Hungarian help which they mostly gave and that kept Hungary on side for a while. She was later coronated. As for First World War, while I reckon King William's War (1688-1697) is an earlier candidate, the scale was undoubtedly less so maybe this one. The claimants ought to be that war, Queen Anne's War (1702-1713) and King George's War (1744-1748). Edit2: I am glad Mr Pearce got the point about the French revolution, it was awful however the Church was being assailed by secular powers in the name of enlightened interests by the way, Priests were persecuted worse than in protestant countries by that point, monasteries were forcibly closed, Papal authority was asphyxiated and yet through all human disaster the Church rose again. Ultramontanism was codified in the Church, religious expression flowered and many previously unseen people were brought into the fold, many Vietnamese for example. Write what you will, He really battered those crooked edges.

  • @ellenmaloneyowens2653
    @ellenmaloneyowens2653 Рік тому

    This is not the best advertisement for Thomas More College. Pater Edmund Waldstein is reading to the students. His voice is bland without any passion or interest. There is so much to say about the Common Good that is interactive and exciting in today's world. I doubt that many people would apply based on this video. Always put your best foot forward to attract investigative minds. E, Maloney-O

    • @charliefoxtrot123
      @charliefoxtrot123 Рік тому

      I disagree. The topic is interesting in and of itself, and he has a measured delivery. I think a truly investigative mind will attend to what is being said here, and those who need the 'honey to help the wormwood go down', won't. These small catholic colleges tend to have more applicants than they can accept, rather than the other way around, anyway.

  • @SammyJ..
    @SammyJ.. Рік тому

    There is ALWAYS someone coughing straight into the mic at these recorded presentations.

  • @dianesicgala4310
    @dianesicgala4310 Рік тому

    What a great writer. God bless you Joseph.

  • @trav9390
    @trav9390 Рік тому

    *promo sm*

  • @paulliston8561
    @paulliston8561 Рік тому

    Yay Kitzingers!! Get 'em nephews! Prost!

  • @dianesicgala4310
    @dianesicgala4310 Рік тому

    Great video. Just read your book The History of True England. I thought I knew my English history quite well. I am English living in Northeastern Pa. Long story I am now a revert to the Catholic Church. EWTN. The Journey home and the early church history brought me back to the Church. Thank you so much for all your fine work. God Bless You. From Diane.

  • @clemfarley7257
    @clemfarley7257 Рік тому

    True education

  • @clemfarley7257
    @clemfarley7257 Рік тому

    Dr Esolen is terrific.

  • @antoniaswift3995
    @antoniaswift3995 Рік тому

    Thank you for recording this! Enjoyed it immensely.

  • @soumiatulip
    @soumiatulip Рік тому

    Falling asleep before your child is so typical for mommies. Isn't!?

  • @youtuber5305
    @youtuber5305 Рік тому

    Doesn't that famous quote from THE LEOPARD have something to do with this?: - - When the people contend for their liberty, they seldom get anything by their victory but new masters. (George Savile)

  • @karleimers5066
    @karleimers5066 Рік тому

    An excellent question and an excellent answer. This should inspire religious people to spread their faith. God's command to spread it should be enough, but we are a fallen race and need little helps like this. :)

  • @verdajaroszewski9995
    @verdajaroszewski9995 Рік тому

    Love your work Dr Esolen. Paradise within is the tender heart which listens, believes and obeys the Holy Spirit. Only possible after accepting Christ as redeemer sent by God. Jeremiah 31:31: “I will be your God and you will be my people and the law of God will be written on your heart. “ This is why the continual emphasis on Israel eschewing idols. Worldly attachments kill the spirit.

  • @sarahflynn924
    @sarahflynn924 2 роки тому

    Sometimes people are motivated to change by their own suffering. I think this is a pseudo religious motive, inner meaning or something like that. But perhaps, once the pain is eased, people without God, slide back.

  • @durso113
    @durso113 2 роки тому

    Junk thinking. Continuing to pile fairytale upon fairytale. Christianity is a mental illness.

  • @Abby-mz6nq
    @Abby-mz6nq 2 роки тому

    the catholic church wants your children to sodomize. and your money.

  • @Abby-mz6nq
    @Abby-mz6nq 2 роки тому

    we are the most virtuous people who have ever existed on earth. people of the past were abusive, cruel and stupid.